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becoming one. Well, McCaskill, thanks for joining me again on the podcast.

It's great to be back on.

Yeah, I don't know how many times this is, but it's many.

Yeah, I think this is maybe number four on the main podcast.

Yeah, yeah, awesome.

Well, you are my go-to guy on so many ethical questions, but effective altruism being the frame under which we think about

these things. You have the 10th anniversary of your book, Doing Good Better, has just come upon us.

There's a new edition.

That's right. Yeah.

And what's changed about the actual text?

So in the text, the statistics are updated, and there's a new foreword, which is responding to some

objections and reflecting a little bit on the last 10 years, growth in some of these ideas.

Well, the last 10 years have been eventful for EA. I think the last time we spoke, we dealt

with much of the controversy around Stan Bankman-Fried and F.T.X. And all of that brain damage.

Is there more to say about that? How is the EA movement slash community doing now? And what has

been the net effect of all of that? Yeah. I think the main thing to say is that, obviously,

that was a huge hit. It was like a huge knockback. But now, if you're looking at influence of the ideas,

you know, really what matters,

then there's been an enormous restoration of growth.

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