By this time the suitcase was getting very heavy, so I rested on a grassy knoll and took a peek inside.

As I opened it, at first a fountain of many colored butterflies,

rainbow game counters, chest pieces, laughing cutlery, tiny chad and tables,

and flying plates covered with exotic fruit.

Welcome again to another segment of the grassy and all.

We're recording this in October 14th for later play.

Our guest today is Sandra Utley. She's written the book Dunblane Unburied. And probably not many of you know what happened there and those who you might have, you know, encountered it somehow some way, probably have forgotten it.

It's about 10 years ago, I believe.

But anyway, we're going to have Sandra on with us today for the express purpose of telling us what took place there.

And we're going to be touching upon a couple of these incidents where it involved these kind of mass murders. And that would also include Columbine and Port Arthur.

Sandra, thank you very much for coming on, and how's everything going over there in the UK?

Well, we're getting into the winter now, and it's not very pleasant, but I'm here to speak about Dumblaine so I'm quite happy to

not talk about the weather which other English people do all the time I can't do a thing about

we can't do anything about um so yes thank you for inviting me on to talk about Dumblaine it's not an

opportunity I get very often in Britain,

in fact not at all. It's one of those tragedies that's been brushed under the carpet.

And I imagine as a consequence people in America probably won't have heard too much about it

over the last 10 years because if there's nothing in the British media,

there's not going to be anything filtering out to the States either.

But yes, it was on 13th of March in 1996, what I considered to be the Western World's worst massacre.

A man called Thomas Hamilton

walked into

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