Hey friend, welcome to Jabba with Julie. This podcast is a listener-supported outreach of authentic intimacy,

a ministry dedicated to reclaiming God's design for sexuality. Well, while it's normal for us to face

conflict, challenge, and issues in marriage, it can be hard to recognize when relationships shift

actually become abusive and

really unhealthy. My guest today is Christian psychologist Dr. David Clark. David is the author

of many books, the host of his own podcast, and is a strong voice in helping victims of abusive

relationships, get strong, get support, and when needed, get out.

The work he is doing is really necessary, both outside and within the church walls.

The knowledge and wisdom he shares so passionately in this episode is really important for

victims of abuse, I would say friends of victims, as well as church

leaders to have a deeper understanding into the dynamics that lead to abusive relationships.

Now, as you listen to Dr. Clark, you're going to hear his passion come through. And you'll also

hear me push back and nuance some of the advice that he's giving. If you are someone you know is in what you think

might be an abusive relationship, you need to get help from a counselor who can give you guidance

that is specific to your situation. While books and conversations like this one can be really

helpful, they can't replace seeking wisdom from someone who can help you navigate your particular

situation.

In the show notes, we'll put a link to a counseling network that is a great next step for you or

someone that might need some help.

We'll also link to Dr. Clark's new book, Enough is Enough.

For now, grab your Java and join us in the coffee shop as we talk about how to recognize

unhealthy relationships and when needed, how to find a way out.

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