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Feeling Good Podcast | TEAM-CBT - The New Mood Therapy

457: Ask David: Chasing, Sadness as Celebration, and Autism

Feeling Good Podcast | TEAM-CBT - The New Mood Therapy

David Burns, MD

Clinical, Therapy, Anxiety, Psychotherapy, Depression, Health & Fitness, Cognitive, Mentalhealth, Mental Health, Behavior, Education, Self-improvement, Psychology, Relationships, Addiction, Happiness, Personalgrowth

4.4856 Ratings

🗓️ 14 July 2025

⏱️ 68 minutes

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Summary

Ask David: Chasing, Commitment Problems

Sadness as Celebration

Is Autism Increasing? 

The answers to today’s questions are brief and were written prior to the show. Listen to the live discussion for a more in-depth discussion of each question. Today’s live podcast discussion with Rhonda, Matt, and David was very energetic and hopefully inspiring for all of you!

Today’s questions.

  1. Aurora asks about a dating problem—the guy I’m dating doesn’t want to “commit.” What should I do?

  2. Ana asks: I’m 48 now, and about 25 years ago, I was diagnosed with infertility—a devastating moment for someone who had dreamed of becoming a mother since childhood. Through therapy, prayer, and especially your book Feeling Good, I’ve done deep healing. I truly feel at peace most of the time. My life is full and joyful. But I’ve noticed that certain dates—especially Mother’s Day and Christmas—still bring sadness. Not overwhelming or constant, but a familiar ache that surprises me even now. I use my CBT tools and move through it, but part of me wonders: should I be “over this” by now?

  3. Brittany asks: Is autism really on the increase?

The following questions will be included in the next Ask David podcast. We did not have time to include them today.

  1. Ollie asks: How do you motivate a procrastinating patient to do the hard work of facing the task they’ve been putting off?

  2. Owen asks: Should I complete a full Daily Mood Log each day?

  3. Owen asks: Is it okay to copy the positive reframing from a previous DML when relevant?

  4. Zainab asks: Is friendship a basic human need?

 

1. Aurora asks about a dating problem—the guy I’m dating doesn’t want to “commit.” What should I do.

Hi Doctor Burns,

I have been dating a guy exclusively (both only seeing each other) but he doesn’t bring up wanting commitment to being in a relationship. He wants to see me in all his free time but tends to plan dates last minute if he does and assumes we will hang out at his place when we get together. He knows I’d like a relationship but said we are working towards that and that it’s putting unnecessary pressure when I mentioned it. I’m not sure how long to wait and asking directly for what I’d like (him planning dates in advance) doesn’t really help as he quickly got defensive and I then went to using the five secrets. Any advice?

Thank you for everything you do, I love your books and podcast so much. They have truly changed my life. You and Rhonda make me smile every day that I listen. If you do by chance use my question would you not include my name?

Aurora

David’s response

Yes we can address this during an Ask David. It’s great timing since we just had several podcasts on dating questions,

Quick answer, and we’ll go deeper in the podcast, but it sounds like you’re being a bit too available and letting him use you and take you for granted. Remember the Burns Rule: “People ONLY want what they CAN’T get, and NEVER want what they CAN get!”

So being more unavailable, letting him know you have other plans (which may simply be not to see him at the last minute), all the while being sweet.

When he says he is not interested in a commitment just now, you can use the Five Secrets of Effective Communication, and play the role of “shrink,” not “available lady.” Ask him about that, express curiosity, encourage him to talk. These methods (5 secrets) are an art form, spelled out pretty clearly in Feeling Good Together.

Pressing him for a commitment is guaranteed to drive him away. You want HIM to be the chaser, and YOU to be the chased.

Also, a Daily Mood Log on thoughts that make you anxious about him, and working toward letting go of “needing” him.

Warmly, David

Aurora responds to David

This is amazing Dr. Burns, thank you so very much! I am so humbled you took the time to read my email, use my questions, and give such a helpful reply. And yes how about the name Aurora! Thank you and Rhonda. Your work has truly changed my life and I am so deeply grateful for all you do.

Aurora

 

2. Ana asks about living with infertility.

Hi Dr. Burns,

I hope you’re well. I had the honor of corresponding with you and Dr. Rhonda last year about my relationship with my mother, and I’m still so grateful for your generosity and the space you gave me on the podcast.

Today I write about a different part of my story. I’m 48 now, and about 25 years ago, I was diagnosed with infertility—a devastating moment for someone who had dreamed of becoming a mother since childhood. Through therapy, prayer, and especially your book Feeling Good, I’ve done deep healing. I truly feel at peace most of the time. My life is full and joyful.

But I’ve noticed that certain dates—especially Mother’s Day and Christmas—still bring sadness. Not overwhelming or constant, but a familiar ache that surprises me even now. I use my CBT tools and move through it, but part of me wonders: should I be “over this” by now? Or is it normal that something so deep still stirs, even after years of healing?

I sometimes question whether I’m simply very good at coping (I’m an Enneagram 3—always performing strength) or if there’s still more I need to process, like the moment both of my sisters-in-law announced their pregnancies during the darkest part of my grief 😓💔. But then again, maybe occasional sadness is just part of living with love and loss.

Thank you for reading—and for your work, which has meant so much to me.

Warmly,

Ana

David’s Response

Hi Ana,

My website is a little clunky now, but if you search “Sadness as Celebration” you may find one or more podcasts that address this concept. In simple terms, your sadness is an expression of your love, and your core values as a human being, as a woman. So you might want to continue to experience that  occasional sadness forever.

Of course, if it is having a negative effect on your llfe, that would be different, but it doesn’t sound that way. Acceptance, with gratitude, could be one path.

Could we use this on an Ask David, with your first name or possibly some other name?

In other words, if you could press our Magic Button and “be over it,” would you REALLY want to press that button? What does your sadness say about you and your core values that’s positive, even awesome?

Warmly, david

Ana replies

Dear Dr. Burns,

Thank you so much for your kind and thoughtful response. What you said makes so much sense — it’s so wise, so true, and also so simple. I appreciate it deeply.

The idea that my sadness is an expression of love and core values feels incredibly freeing. I only wish I didn’t feel guilty or “broken” when these feelings creep in from time to time. Your perspective helps me see them differently — not as setbacks, but as moments of connection with something I’ve loved dearly.

Yes, please feel free to use this in an Ask David episode. I’d be honored. You’re welcome to use my first name, Ana.

With gratitude,

Ana

David’s reply

Thanks again, Ana. As an aside, you “got it,” I believe. Your sadness is an expression of your love, and likely also makes you more compassionate toward others. And more.

The sadness you feel, arguably, is not a “defect,” or something to be defeated, but something beautiful that can be accepted and welcomed. If you think it is “too much,” you can write down your Negative Thoughts and look for distortions, of course.

Warmly, david

Rhonda suggested that we give the numbers of the podcasts that deal with the interesting topic of “Sadness as Celebration.” They include #s174, 252, 253, and 304 (this last being my experience with loneliness and grief while driving across the Nevada desert as a medical student.)

 

3. Brittany asks if autism is on the increase?

Hi Dr. Burns,

I’ve noticed in the last few years the term autism being used much more commonly and now seems to be a broader term. I watched a show last night where an actual autism center was showing their test they use. It was pictures of people’s eyes and you had to guess if they were feeling sad, happy, frustrated, etc. They said autistic people have a hard time telling what others are thinking/feeling. Well I took the quiz and got half wrong.

They also described autistic people as being awkward socially, having a hard time adjusting to new surroundings, disliking loud noises. Well that also describes me but by no means would I say I’m autistic. I think they are throwing personal preferences and social anxiety into the umbrella term autism.

I know you did that podcast on ADHD where you said you don’t treat ADHD, you treat people. What are your thoughts on the way autism seems to be diagnosed these days? Of course I’m sure you would just treat whatever problem the person wanted to work on, not the so called disorder. But still, do you find it frustrating how often people are deemed to be autistic these days?

-Brittany

David’s reply

I might be a bit autistic, too! Join the club. It's the latest thing, and super broad boundaries, just like you said. And like you said, I treat the person, not the so-called "mental disorder."

Also, I did an informal study on shrinks, and they had no idea what patients were feeling even after a two + hour interview with the patient!

Warmly, david

PS I'll make this another ask David, it's a good one!

Rhonda wrote:

David:  What do you think of putting the link to the autism facial recognition test in the show notes?

Great idea, Rhonda, so here’s the link. Remember, we are not endorsing the validity or reliability of this scale, nor are we recommending it for any medical or psychological assessment! David

Check out the Autism Test

Thanks for listening today!

Matt, Rhonda, and David

 

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to the Feeling Good podcast, where you can learn powerful techniques

0:11.6

to change the way you feel. I am your host, Dr. Rhonda Borovsky, and joining me here in the

0:16.8

Murrieta studio is Dr. David Burns. Dr. Burns is a pioneer in the development of

0:22.3

cognitive behavioral therapy and the creator of the new team therapy. He's the author of Feeling

0:27.4

Good, which has sold over 5 million copies in the United States and has been translated into over 30

0:33.2

languages. His latest book, Feeling Great, contains powerful new techniques that make rapid recovery

0:39.3

possible for many people struggling with depression and anxiety. Dr. Burns is currently an emeritus

0:45.2

adjunct professor of clinical psychiatry at Stanford University School of Medicine. Hello,

0:53.2

Rhonda.

0:56.9

Hello, David, and welcome to our listeners.

1:00.0

You're listening to the Feeling Good podcast.

1:06.3

It's episode 457, and we welcome you from across the country, across the world, and throughout the galaxy.

1:13.1

We're doing another Ask David episode, so again, we're welcoming our beloved Matt May to our microphones.

1:13.6

Hi, Matt.

1:14.4

Hey, Rhonda.

1:14.9

Hey, David.

1:15.8

It's great to be with you both.

1:17.5

Yeah, likewise.

1:18.4

Absolutely.

1:33.1

Before we start, our Ask David episode, I'd love to read an endorsement, which is about podcast 454 with Kyle Jones and Carly Zankman, which we just published a couple weeks ago. And Julia wrote us, Dear David, I hope

1:41.1

you're doing wonderful. I just wanted to praise the series you're doing on the podcast

1:45.5

about dating. I especially love the second episode with Kyle and Carly, episode 454, because it was

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