#450 How to Change with Katy Milkman

Squiggly Careers

The Squiggly Career

Management, Careers, Business

5 • 809 Ratings

🗓️ 8 January 2025

⏱️ 16 minutes

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Summary

This is the second episode of the Squiggly Careers Videobook Club where Helen and Sarah focus on a different Videobook each week in January and identify insights and ideas that everyone can put into action to support their career development.

This week, the focus is on How to Change by Katy Milkman. In today’s episode, Sarah talks to Katy about some of the key principles in her work that can help people to make the changes that matter to them.

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0:00.0	Hi, I'm Sarah and this is the Squiggly Careers podcast. This episode is part of our
0:08.4	video book club series that we're running during January and this is my expert interview
0:13.5	with Katie Milkman who's going to be talking all about change. You are in for a real treat.
0:19.4	I really enjoyed my conversation with Katie. She's smart,
0:23.5	insightful, she's got really good ideas for action. It's really practical. I really enjoyed both
0:29.4	watching the video book, reading her book and talking to her. I am confident that this is definitely
0:34.3	going to be a good one for our squiggly careers community. So enjoy listening
0:37.9	and I'll be back with you at the end to let you know what's next. Bye for now. So Katie,
0:45.4	welcome to the Squiggly Careers podcast. I'm really looking forward to talking about how to change.
0:50.9	Thank you for having me. So we're going to dive straight in and one of the things that
0:56.2	struck me very early on watching the video book and I'm reading the book because I've done both
1:01.0	was this idea of the fresh start effect because I have to say I think my initial view was
1:08.3	maybe a bit cynical that actually oh do, do you know what, New Year
1:12.8	isn't a good time to set resolutions, probably based on my own personal experience.
1:18.1	Maybe you set them and then you fail and you feel a bit disappointed in yourself.
1:22.4	But the more I have read your work, I think I might be starting to change my mind, maybe a bit more nuance than I
1:29.1	was before. What does this fresh start effect mean? And then how might we apply that in terms of
1:34.9	moments where we do want to make a change? Yeah. Well, the fresher effect is this phenomenon where
1:40.0	there are moments in our lives, moments that feel like new beginnings, when we are more open to making a change.
1:46.2	We feel like the time is right for a variety of reasons. One of the key reasons from our research
1:52.4	seems to be that people at these new beginning moments, like January 1st, like Mondays, like birthdays,
1:58.4	we can say, you know, okay, last year or last week or, you know, when I was 23, now I'm turning 24, and say to ourselves, you know, that was the old me that didn't get in shape or that, you know, wasn't really firing on all cylinders at work or whatever it was that a goal that has been in our mind for a while and we haven't nailed it.
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