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10% Happier with Dan Harris

449: Loss is Inevitable. Here’s How to Handle It. | Kathryn Schulz

10% Happier with Dan Harris

10% Media, LLC

Dan Harris, Health & Fitness, Mindfulness, Dharma, Mental Health, Meditation

4.612.2K Ratings

🗓️ 16 May 2022

⏱️ 62 minutes

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Summary

There is an unstoppable flow of gain and loss within our lives. 


Processing this flow helps us to develop equanimity. In this conversation, Pulitzer Prize-winner and New Yorker staff writer Kathryn Schulz discusses her new book Lost and Found: A Memoir, in which she explores experiencing both a huge loss anda huge gain, and how to live in a world where both happiness and pain commingle. 


In this episode we talk about: 


  • How humans experience grief
  • A gift you can give to the grieving
  • Why she loves the clichés that remind us to enjoy the moment
  • Her broad understanding of the term “loss”
  • Why the key word in ‘lost and found’ is “and” 
  • What she’s learned about compromising in relationships



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0:00.0

This is the 10% happier podcast.

0:06.3

I'm Dan Harris.

0:08.0

Again, I've always been really intrigued by the Buddhist notion of the eight worldly

0:15.9

wins.

0:16.9

They include praise and blame, success and failure, joy and sorrow and most relevant for this

0:23.8

conversation, gain and loss.

0:26.9

The idea is that if we learn to relate to these various two-sided coins as being like

0:31.6

the wind or part of nature, we can develop more equanimity vis-a-vis life's inevitable

0:37.6

ups and downs, vexations and vicissitudes, the full catastrophe.

0:42.2

Today, we're going to talk specifically about the unstoppable flow of gain and loss, the

0:48.1

upside and downside of impermanence and how to deal with this process more effectively.

0:53.6

My guest is not actually a Dharma teacher, but instead a Pulitzer Prize-winning writer

0:58.3

who I've actually been a fan of for a very long time.

1:01.8

She really is, in my opinion, one of the best writers drawing breath on the planet currently.

1:07.8

So it was very cool to meet her.

1:09.4

Catherine Schultz is a staff writer at the New Yorker who has a new book called Lost

1:13.3

and Found, a memoir, which is really about her processing a huge loss in her personal

1:20.2

life and then a huge gain.

1:22.9

And then also musing in a very compelling way about how to live in a world where this

1:28.2

happiness and pain inevitably commingle, in other words, how to live with contradiction.

1:34.4

In this conversation, we talk about how humans experience grief, a gift that you can give

1:40.2

to anybody who's grieving, why she loves the cliches that remind us to enjoy the moment

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