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449. How to Fix the Incentives in Cancer Research

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🗓️ 28 January 2021

⏱️ 44 minutes

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Summary

For all the progress made in fighting cancer, it still kills 10 million people a year, and some types remain especially hard to detect and treat. Pancreatic cancer, for instance, is nearly always fatal. A new clinical-trial platform could change that by aligning institutions that typically compete against one another.

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0:00.0

Ned Sharpless is director of the National Cancer Institute.

0:05.9

So when President Nixon signed the National Cancer Act in 1971, the thinking was that

0:10.9

we'd be able to give the president a cure for cancer by the bicentennial in 1976.

0:16.1

Thus began the so-called war on cancer.

0:19.5

It was supposed to be a short war.

0:21.2

There had been this really amazing success against pediatric leukemia in the late 50s and

0:26.2

60s.

0:27.4

So the thinking was, well, if you can cure leukemia like that, we're just going to do the

0:30.4

rest of cancer.

0:31.4

But that didn't happen.

0:33.1

Why didn't that happen?

0:34.8

Well, it gets this difference between science and engineering.

0:38.2

The engineer sees a problem and we can build a rocket in 10 years and we're going to go

0:42.4

to the moon.

0:43.4

It was sort of that thinking that cancer is a problem and we need to develop a treatment

0:47.2

and we're going to devote a lot of resources to it.

0:49.7

But what we had to do really and are still doing today, frankly, was decades of intricate

0:54.9

basic science to really understand the basic biology of cancer.

1:00.1

Basic science and basic biology, perhaps.

1:03.7

But overall, cancer has turned out to be incredibly complicated.

1:08.0

When I started in this business in the 1990s, we thought of cancer as like a couple of

1:12.4

diseases.

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