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I'm here with David Edmonds.

David, thanks for joining me again.

Thanks for having me back.

So David, you have a new book, which I really enjoyed.

It's titled Death in a Shallow Pond, a Philosopher, a Drowning Child, and Strangers

in Need.

And you've written a, kind of a short bio of the philosopher Peter Singer, who's also been on the podcast several times and of the effect of altruism movement that he has spawned along with Will McCaskill and Toby Ord, who've also been on the podcast several times. And but it's also a great history of moral philosophy in the analytic tradition.

So I just want to track through the book, really, because it's, I think the virtues of

effective altruism as well as the concerns surrounding it are still worth talking about.

And I think just the core concerns of moral philosophy

and how we think about doing good in the world

are really of the eternal interest,

because it's not at all clear that we think about these things

rationally or effectively or normatively in any other way.

So before we jump in, remind people

what you do, because you know, I've spoken before and you have your own podcast, but, you know,

where can people find your work generally and what are you tending to focus on these days?

Gosh, well, I had a double life as a BBC journalist and a philosopher. I've given up the BBC bit, so it's

all philosophy from now on. I've got a podcast called Philosophy Bites, which I make with a colleague

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