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My name is Mike Hurley and I am joined across the room by Mr. Casey List.

Mike, we could reach out and touch each other.

There you go.

And it just happens.

Just like Bono and Tim Cook and now I'm embarrassed.

But no, we are here together in San Francisco.

We both sound like crap because we've been yelling

at our friends for the last four days three days and it's 8 a m right now yes also it is i have never

recorded a podcast so early i've recorded podcasts like late which kind of come up to this like i've

recorded until like 5 a.m but i've never started recording at 8 a.m before it's funny that you classify 5 a.m. But I've never started recording at 8 a.m. before.

It's funny that you classify 5 a.m. as the evening prior, where to me that is definitely

the morning or like the early that morning.

Well, I didn't go to sleep.

Oh, God.

Oh, no, Mike.

I can't handle this.

That's John.

Like, so if I ever record with Mr. Syracuse, that's kind of what I do, because I record at like

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