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Sean Carroll's Mindscape: Science, Society, Philosophy, Culture, Arts, and Ideas

44 | Antonio Damasio on Feelings, Thoughts, and the Evolution of Humanity

Sean Carroll's Mindscape: Science, Society, Philosophy, Culture, Arts, and Ideas

Sean Carroll | Wondery

Society & Culture, Physics, Philosophy, Science, Ideas, Society

4.84.4K Ratings

🗓️ 29 April 2019

⏱️ 72 minutes

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Summary

When we talk about the mind, we are constantly talking about consciousness and cognition. Antonio Damasio wants us to talk about our feelings. But it’s not in an effort to be more touchy-feely; Damasio, one of the world’s leading neuroscientists, believes that feelings generated by the body are a crucial part of how we achieve and maintain homeostasis, which in turn is a key driver in understanding who we are. His most recent book, The Strange Order of Things: Life, Feeling, and the Making of Cultures, is an ambitious attempt to trace the role of feelings and our biological impulses in the origin of life, the nature of consciousness, and our flourishing as social, cultural beings. Support Mindscape on Patreon or Paypal. Antonio Damasio received his M.D. and Ph.D. from the University of Lisbon, Portugal. He is currently University Professor, David Dornsife Professor of Neuroscience, Professor of Psychology, Professor of Philosophy, and (along with his wife and frequent collaborator, Prof. Hannah Damasio) Director of the Brain and Creativity Institute at the University of Southern California. He is also an adjunct professor at the Salk Institute in La Jolla, California. He is a member of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, the National Academy of Medicine, and the European Academy of Sciences and Arts. Among his numerous awards are the Grawemeyer Award, the Honda Prize, the Prince of Asturias Award in Science and Technology, and the Beaumont Medal from the American Medical Association. USC web page Brain and Creativity Institute Google Scholar page Amazon.com author page Wikipedia TED talk on The Quest to Understand Consciousness Twitter See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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0:00.0

Hello everybody, welcome to the Mindscape podcast.

0:02.3

I'm your host Sean Carroll.

0:04.4

Today we're very fortunate to have an extremely distinguished scientist.

0:08.0

Antonio Damacio is a well-known neuroscientist and professor of neuroscience at USC, University of Southern California,

0:15.4

here in LA, where he is also a professor of psychology, philosophy, and neurology.

0:21.9

You might remember that a few months ago we talked to Lisa Azizade,

0:26.2

who also works at USC in the Brain and Creativity Institute,

0:30.3

and we talked about embodied cognition,

0:32.8

the idea that what is constituting our thoughts does not come solely from our minds,

0:38.5

but also from our bodies, that our bodies have a role to play in understanding how we think, not just what we do.

0:44.8

So Damacio is the director of the Brain and Creativity Institute,

0:48.6

where this interview actually took place,

0:51.1

and so he's been a pioneer in this way of thinking for many, many years.

0:55.5

And in his new book, which just came out in paperback, called The Strange Order of Things,

1:00.9

he sort of summarizes what he's come to think about this,

1:04.0

and he emphasizes, funnily enough, the idea of feelings.

1:08.4

In Damacio's view, we don't take feelings nearly seriously enough,

1:12.8

when we try to explain how we think, how we behave, what makes us human beings.

1:18.0

To Damacio, what a feeling is, is a way of our bodies telling ourselves

1:22.1

how we're doing with respect to the goal of maintaining homeostasis.

1:27.2

Homeostasis is the condition that our body is in when our temperature is right,

1:31.3

our oxygen level is right, and so forth,

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