So you are, as I understand, a staunch vegetarian who's also a staunch libertarian.

I don't think that's a big club that crossover.

I didn't meet somebody a few years ago that said they were both.

I'm not totally alone.

John Mackie, the co-founder and CEO of the Whole Foods supermarket chain, seems to be comfortable

with contradiction, or at least what may look like contradiction to the rest of us.

He is a 67-year-old vegan and daily meditator who also lionizes free-market icons like Milton

Friedman and I'm Rand.

He speaks out against factory farming.

He's also called climate change, perfectly natural and not necessarily bad.

A New Yorker profile of Mackie once declared that he, quote, can't help but speak his mind

out of which spring confounding ideas and conventionally irreconcilable contradictions.

Look, I just show up in authentic way everywhere I am.

I think I was the best strategy in life.

Did it take you a while to show up always as your authentic self?

Of course.

It's a skill.

You have to practice authenticity.

It's sort of natural to tell lies, even though little lies.

We learn to disembowel at a very young age.

We are also very much afraid of disapproval from others.

It's really obvious today because there's a fear of being canceled.

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