The following is a conversation with Jordan Jonas, winner of Alone Season 6, a show where the task is to survive alone in the Arctic Wilderness longer than anyone else. He is widely considered to be one of, if not the greatest

competitors on that show. He has a fascinating life story that took him from a farm in Idaho and hoboing on trains across America to traveling with nomadic tribes in Siberia. All that helped make him into a world-class explorer, survivor, hunter,

wilderness guide, and, most importantly, a great human being with a big heart and a big smile.

This was a truly fun and fascinating conversation.

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I've got a chance to recently visit the GPU cluster that Tesla AI and X AI are building and well first

of all was extremely impressed by the rapid rate of progress and there's a lot more to be said about that.

Maybe I'll have a conversation with Elon soon, but in general I just

the sheer scale of computation that a

that a GPU cluster is carrying

and it's quickly growing. and just being able to see that in person.

It makes it very visceral, very real that these machine learning models have power and that we as a civilization carry a heavy

responsibility to make sure that we use them in a way that doesn't hurt others.

And I think security vulnerabilities is the near term way of hurting others.

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