Hello. Hello everybody I had the pleasure today of speaking with Bishop Robert Barron and I

spoken with Bishop Barron a number of times before,

sometimes with John Verveki, sometimes with Jonathan Paggio,

sometimes alone in all sorts of different places,

including Rome.

We've developed a good relationship and he's a very interesting religious

thinker in my estimation. He's contending with the core meanings of the

narratives that sit at the base of our culture and that for better or worse, sometimes both unite us fundamentally and most profoundly for better.

We talked today about I suppose the it's something

approximating the undeniable reality of the divine or the sacred even by

definition we tried to lay out a mode of conceptualizing the

proposition that there is a highest in uniting value, which I would, what would you say, allegiance to that highest and eternal value is something like faith, it's something

like covenant, it's something like the proper aim of life. It's something like the proper aim of life

insofar as your life is meaningful and generous and productive.

All of that by definition.

We laid out the modern understanding of that

and how the church, at least in part has deviated from its

obligation and responsibility to explain the nature of that relationship and to help people understand why it needs to be primary.

So that's where the discussion will go.

Join us.

All right, so let me share some of my thoughts with you.

It'll be kind of a lengthy introduction to our discussion,

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