430: Was Epictetus Right? Finally--an Answer!
Feeling Good Podcast | TEAM-CBT - The New Mood Therapy
David Burns, MD
4.4 • 856 Ratings
🗓️ 6 January 2025
⏱️ 70 minutes
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Summary
Do Negative Thoughts REALLY Cause Depression?
An Answer--At Last!--from Research
Featuring David Burns, Jeremy Karmel, Diane Spangler and Rhonda Barovsky
Today, David and two dear colleagues--Jeremy Karmel, CEO of the Feeling Great Corporation, and Dr. Diane Spangler--share the amazing results of two types of research on the Feeling Great app that focus on two related and vitally important questions:
- How effective is the Feeling Great app? Research confirms it triggers incredibly fast and dramatic reductions in seven negative feelings: depression, anxiety, guil7, inadequacy, loneliness, hopelessness and anger. The speed and depth of these effects may substantially outstrip human therapists as well as antidepressant medications.
- How does it work? What is the mechanism of action? People have argued intensely about the chicken vs the egg problem for more than 2,000 years. Do negative thoughts REALLY cause negative feelings? Or do negative feelings cause negative thoughts? Or both? Or neither?
The answers are exciting!
Warmly,.
Rhonda, Jeremy, Diane, and David
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| 0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to the Feeling Good podcast, where you can learn powerful techniques |
| 0:11.6 | to change the way you feel. I am your host, Dr. Rhonda Borovsky, and joining me here in the |
| 0:16.8 | Murrieta studio is Dr. David Burns. Dr. Burns is a pioneer in the development of cognitive behavioral therapy and the creator of the new team therapy. |
| 0:26.6 | He's the author of Feeling Good, which has sold over 5 million copies in the United States and has been translated into over 30 languages. |
| 0:33.6 | His latest book, Feeling Great, contains powerful new techniques that make rapid recovery |
| 0:39.3 | possible for many people struggling with depression and anxiety. Dr. Burns is currently an emeritus |
| 0:45.2 | adjunct professor of clinical psychiatry at Stanford University School of Medicine. Hello, Rhonda? |
| 0:56.0 | Hello, David. |
| 0:57.3 | And welcome to all of our listeners around the country, the universe, and the galaxy. |
| 1:03.6 | This is the Feeling Good podcast, and this is episode 430, the first podcast of 2025. |
| 1:11.8 | And I understand you've recently got your first listener email from aliens because now we're, |
| 1:17.9 | because now we're, have listeners across the universe. |
| 1:20.7 | Right, right. |
| 1:21.1 | We got our first endorsement from someone on the Mars, which maybe I'll read that. |
| 1:25.9 | And that's the voice of Jeremy Carmel. Jeremy's one of our guests today. He's |
| 1:30.0 | the CEO of the app and a partner with the Feeling Great app with David's partner. And we're really |
| 1:34.7 | happy to have you on Jeremy on our first podcast of 2025. And we also have Diane Spangler. |
| 1:41.2 | Diane Spangler, she's an incredible researcher. She was a professor for 15 years at |
| 1:46.6 | Brigham Young University and now she started her own treatment clinic where she also conducts |
| 1:51.1 | research. She and David and Jeremy have done some recent incredible research that they're going |
| 1:55.8 | to be talking about. That's the focus today. So hi, David. Hello, wonderful Rhonda. And thank you for all of last year and |
| 2:04.9 | welcome all of you to the new year. We so much appreciate all of you, your comments, your questions, |
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