430. Versions of Us with Fran Lusty, Rosie Hewlett and Dia Day

The Guilty Feminist

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Comedy, Feminism

4.8 • 12.2K Ratings

🗓️ 31 March 2025

⏱️ 76 minutes

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The Guilty Feminist 430. Versions of Us – part two

Presented by Deborah Frances-White with special guests Fran Lusty, Rosie Hewlett and Dia Day.

Recorded 19 March 2025 at The Old Queen’s Head in London. Released 31 March.

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0:00.0	Hello, Guilty Feminist. It's Deborah. I have written a book called Six Conversations
0:03.9	We Are Scared to Have and I'm coming on a UK book tour. Since I put this book to bed,
0:10.4	it has become more and more relevant and I swear to God I'd much rather have a much less
0:15.9	relevant book in a much better world, but here we are.
0:23.0	I actually did take some time out of the spotlight,
0:27.2	and I did fewer live guilty feminist shows to write this book because I just took a gamble that this was the best thing I had to say right now.
0:31.8	And you can't just riff this on a podcast.
0:34.6	This is very nuanced.
0:35.9	It's detailed.
0:36.9	Hopefully it's entertaining and page
0:38.1	turning, but I also have had a lot of academics help me work on it. And I've really tried to be
0:44.0	rigorous in what I'm saying. And you can only do it at that level in a book. I really think,
0:50.6	firstly, we need to look at why the left has become so fragmented and why the left and
0:55.1	the right has become so polarised. But also what can we do about it? What practical things?
0:59.9	Because what we are doing is not working. The far right is rising. And I'm not blaming us for
1:05.7	the rise of the far right, but I am saying we need to proceed differently. I really hope that you enjoy the book.
1:12.5	I hope it's entertaining and a page turner as well as being something that is rigorous.
1:17.1	I'm very, very honoured and touched, but I really hope it helps in a practical way to have
1:21.9	been given endorsements by early readers such as David Tennant and Tom Allen and Gillian Anderson,
1:29.7	Emma Thompson, and Gillian Anderson very kindly said it's an essential guide to nuanced and
1:35.5	intricate conversations in a polarised world. Not that I've memorized the quote that Julian
1:39.8	Anderson gave me, but I've only met her once and I was so moved and heartened and encouraged,
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