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Are you more or less worried by Vance presidency or Trump presidency?

I think there's a very good chance. It could be even worse.

When Trump says something, he thinks it is true.

Vance knows that he's lying.

Vance in a 2021 interview that says,

we're effectively run in this country by a bunch of childless cat ladies.

This Zelenskyy showdown in the White House.

It's not normal to have a vice president sitting in there and

interrupting. I thought he was utterly disgusting. That was Vance showing, I will be your attack dog.

This is a guy who's had a pretty rough life, pretty rough childhood. And meanwhile, he has a level

of ambition that makes him prepared to do or say anything in the moment

to get to the next step and the next step for him is the White House.

Take that lack of virtue, that lack of moral character and combine it with the economic

and military might of the United States and you should be very, very worried about a JD-Vance presidency.

Hi there, it's Alistair. As you are no doubt aware, we're right in the middle of our first

ever mini-series, the real J.D. Vance exclusively on the rest of Politics Plus. And in this

week's episode, we cover J.D. Vance's journey so far during Trump's second term. How he became

vice president, how unusually prominent he is, his spat with the Pope, the extraordinary scenes with Zelensky and the Oval Office,

and how he may well be the lead contender to be the next president of the United States.

I mean, so many interesting things, psychologically, historically, politically.

So if you'd like to hear the first four episodes in full right now, just head to the restless

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