Welcome to Al Leaders Lead, where every week you get to listen in while I interview some of the very best leaders in the world.

I break down the key learning so that by the end of the episode, you'll have something simple you can apply as you develop into a better leader.

That's what this podcast is all about.

Today's guest is Mickey Drexler,

the legendary king of retail,

and former CEO of the Gap,

Jay Crewe, and Banana Republic.

And he really put all these brands on the map.

These days, he and his son have teamed up

to build a new clothing brand called Alex Mill.

Now, believe me, Mickey is a hard-charging guy with plenty of conviction.

And when you listen to him, it hits you.

Just how compelling it is when a leader has a unique vision and really believes in it.

And the thing is, visionaries like Mickey usually don't reach the heights they do

unless they're willing to break some rules along the way. You're going to be so inspired by all the

stories he tells the times he had to go against the grain in order to see his vision through,

including how he helped Steve Jobs shape the timeless, clean aesthetic of the very first Apple store.

If you're a rule breaker yourself, you're going to love this.

And if you're not, you may just want to become one after you listen.

So here's my conversation with my good friend and soon to be yours, Mickey Drexler.

Mickey, our friend Bobby Brown, the beauty guru, she introduced us and we set up a lunch a few weeks ago. And I have to tell you, I've admired you so much from afar that after that lunch, I felt like I'd known you

for years. It was so much fun. I've really been looking forward to having this conversation. So

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