Hello, this is Matt from the Explorers podcast. I want to invite you to join me on the voyages and journeys of the most famous explorers in the history of the world. These are the thrilling and captivating stories of Vigelin, Shackleton, Lewis, and Clark, and so many other famous and not so famous adventures from throughout history.

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That's the Explorers Podcast.

Grownups, if there's a child in your life who is interested in, curious about, or fascinated by people in places from history, then my podcast,

the past and the curious, might just be a hit in your home. From the invention of microscopes

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Hosted by children's author and museum educator Mick Sullivan, that's me, the show is

fun, funny, engaging, honest, and beloved by kids and parents alike. Find the past and the

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Yeah, they've got the impossible job of trying to satisfy people who are at war, right?

Or at least to be seen as trying to look out for the interests, both of their enslavers and the enslaved people below them.

And so it's this constant balancing act where they're choosing from a range of bad options

and having to kind of decide which side of that struggle they're going to come down on really

throughout it every individual day.

Hello and welcome to episode 418 of Ben Franklin's World, the podcast dedicated to helping you learn more about how the people and events of our early American past have shaped the present-day

world we live in. And I'm your host, Liz Covart. We often learn about slavery in early America

through broad economic or political terms, terms like cotton, sugar, markets, or even revolutions.

But what happens when we turn our focus to the lived experiences of enslaved

people themselves? What did slavery look and feel like on the ground? What did survival look like

day to day? And what do we make of the enslaved people who were forced into positions of authority

over others, like the plantation drivers who are tasked with extracting labor from

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