#417: Reclaiming Integrity in Medicine with Top Pediatric Neurologist Dr. Eric Payne

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Mark Groves

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🗓️ 21 October 2024

⏱️ 88 minutes

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Summary

Dr. Eric Payne, an esteemed pediatric neurologist with a background in public health, offers an insightful and thought-provoking critique of the public health responses to COVID-19. In this part one of a two-part conversation, he discusses how fear, media narratives, and public health policies have deeply impacted society, particularly children. Dr. Payne explores the unintended consequences of lockdowns, school closures, and mask mandates, highlighting the emotional, social, and ethical dilemmas they created. His reflections challenge mainstream perspectives, advocating for more open dialogue around these interventions, especially in the face of widespread public mistrust. This conversation invites us all to reconsider the long-term impacts of pandemic policies and opens up space for healing and understanding across diverse viewpoints. Dr. Eric Payne is a neurologist and clinical researcher specializing in pediatric neurology, epilepsy, neuroinflammation, and neurocritical care. He previously worked as an epileptologist and pediatric neurologist at Mayo Clinic (2014-2020) and at Alberta Children's Hospital (2020-2023). He completed medical school and residency at the University of Calgary, and fellowship training in pediatric neurocritical care and epilepsy at the Hospital for Sick Children in Toronto. He obtained a Master of Public Health from Harvard University and is board certified in Neurology (FRCPC) and Clinical Electroencephalography (CSCN). References from the Episode: —Dr. Eric Payne’s Letter: https://smartcdn.gprod.postmedia.digital/calgaryherald/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Sep-15-FINAL-PAYNE-CPSA-letter.pdf —TikTok Tics: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8564823/ —Updated Definitions of Immunity and Vaccine: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm —Full List of Dr. Payne’s References From His Letter: https://static.showit.co/file/rXKal_TV4PXpWv42QajRqA/237093/sep-15-final-payne-cpsa-letter-references.pdf —Cochrane Report on Face Masks: https://www.cochrane.org/CD006207/ARI_do-physical-measures-such-hand-washing-or-wearing-masks-stop-or-slow-down-spread-respiratory-viruses —Primary Trials: Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577 Resources: —Ready to transform your relationships? Download The Relationship Toolkit for free and learn the 5 essential skills to thrive in love and life! https://go.markgroves.com/relationship-toolkit-podcast If you want to dive deeper into Mark’s content, search through every episode, find specific topics we’ve covered, and ask him questions, go to his Dexa page: https://dexa.ai/markgroves Themes: COVID-19 pandemic response, Public Health Measures Critique, Dr. Eric Payne Interview, Dr. Eric Payne Letter, Mental Health During Pandemic, School Closures and Children, Vaccine Injuries and Recovery, Media and Public Health Narratives, Societal Impact of COVID-19, Emotional Healing Post-Pandemic This episode is sponsored by Cozy Earth: Use code GROVES for 40% off sitewide at http://www.cozyearth.com Contact us at [email protected] for sponsor product support, questions, comments, or just to say hello! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	I'm so excited to be interviewing Dr. Eric Payne.
0:04.4	We'll get into all his credentials, but he's a pediatric neurologist,
0:08.2	also has a master's degree in public health.
0:09.8	I mean, he's a guy we should listen to when it comes to exploring the very big complexity of things like what's happened in the last four years.
0:20.4	The reason I felt that this conversation is really important is because I feel like we've exited a bit of the more emotional reactivity and the
0:31.6	activation that is within the experience of discussing anything when we're looking at the last four years.
0:37.8	I think what lives in the last four years is a lot of trauma, a lot of heightened emotion, a lot of fear.
0:43.4	And I think people are from a nervous system perspective quite exhausted, exhausted of reading
0:47.9	about death counts and wars and all this kind of stuff and really that stuff has all been amped up. Social media
0:54.6	has amplified that the inability to talk about things if you don't have one
0:59.4	position or another. So all of these things are going on in our human experience and they're really invading and I say that because it feels like a virus is invading our relationships, is invading our connections.
1:13.0	You know, this conversation is about the exploration of the science,
1:18.3	about the discussion, the dialogue, and I feel like we've of course been quite resistant to this conversation I think a lot of people still are and you might be like oh damn like this and I the reason this is important is because if we can actually sit with the
1:38.0	totality of the information a few things happen one we start to actually see everything that's occurred beyond what the
1:46.8	mainstream media has told us. We see beyond like what the quote-unquote experts that we were
1:51.9	provided or promoted to witness and
1:54.6	see on television how there was just one story, one narrative and you know when I
1:59.0	worked in pharma when we did a symposium at a conference, there was a product we were promoting, we would often
2:06.2	have opposing views having conversations because when you have dissenting views, you choose the right thing. You choose the thing that causes
2:15.2	the least amount of harm and the most amount of benefit. And the reason these
2:20.0	conversations are actually really important is because we can look in
2:23.2	hindsight and see that a lot of the interventions that were done they produce
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