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Welcome for the Fine Home Building Pro Talk podcast, a regular discussion with building industry professionals.

This is Senior Editor Patrick McComb. Today I'm joined by Justin Zeller, founder and general manager of Red House Design Build in Providence, Rhode Island.

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Justin, thanks very much for being on the show.

Oh, thank you very much, Patrick, for having me.

I'm excited to be here.

So we were introduced by our fellow friend and video producer, Colin Russell,

and he told me that you have a business model that's common amongst a number of folks,

and he thought you'd be good to talk to. So thanks to Colin.

Your company has a history that many listeners can relate to.

When you founded Red House in 2006, it was the worst part of the recession. What was the company like

then and what is it like now? Well, I think the benefit of starting a business during a recession is that there's really no, there's no place to go but up.

You know, there certainly was a possibility to fail.

And we saw that as COVID hit.

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