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This is Well, a podcast about wellness in all its forms.

I'm Ariel Laurie, and each week I'm sharing unfiltered conversations with people shaping how we feel, live, and look.

Come for the substance, stay for the honesty, and leave with the tools to be well, inside and out.

I love today's episode so much, and I know that you are going to also, because I feel like you

probably see who my guest is. She really needs no introduction, I'm sure, with my audience especially,

but I'm talking to Jen Atkin, who I will get to in a second, and the topic, which is, of course,

hair. She's an icon in the hair world. And you think that it might just be a beauty, fluffy episode,

but going into this episode, I knew one thing about Jen, and it's that she likes to go

beneath the surface. So we really delved into not only the hustle and the grind and the work

ethic and the attitude that got her to where she is now when she came from humble beginnings,

which she talks about in this episode,

but also about what it was like when she kind of reached that mountaintop, so to speak,

and realized that she had been at the service of her clients for so long that she really

didn't have a life of her own. And she talks about how she didn't even really remember her wedding

until she looked at the wedding photos. Like she was just not present because she was always in that

work mode. And I think that that's something that a lot of people can relate to. And we also get

into how experiencing loss, including the loss of her dad, and more recently, the loss of her home

and the LA fires changed the way she approaches her business and what she prioritizes in

life. And I just think it's such a refreshing conversation. But if you're worrying that it might

be a little heavy, we do get into the beauty fluffy stuff as well, and it's so fun.

There's no better person to talk hair and beauty trends with, in my opinion, than Jen Atkin,

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