Hello everyone I had the privilege today to speak with one Jack Barsky.

Guy about my age born in East Germany, raised in the depths of the communist catastrophe,

swallowed the propaganda as a young man hookline and sinker, and was recruited as,

while he was pursuing his degree in chemistry, recruited by the KGB to act as a spy in the West.

And he recounted his tale in a book called Deep Undercover,

which was published in 2017 and shared all that with me today.

His double life in the US, his eventual abandonment of the communist utopian intellectual project,

his conversion, as it turns out by the,

as a consequence of the love of his infant daughter,

his work for the FBI and his current enterprise now serving as a mentor to the young people,

to young people who might be attracted, say, by the utopian schemes of the of the intellectual ideologues and so we

walk through all of that and that's very interesting. Welcome aboard.

Mr. Parsky I think what interesting. Welcome aboard.

Mr. Parsky, I think what came to my mind as the first mystery when I went through your book was the conditions of your upbringing. You know, one of the things that's very mysterious,

thankfully, to people in the West is

how it was that young people in particular were enticed to swallow hook, line and

sinker, the propaganda coming into Eastern Europe from Russia, especially because, and I don't know how much of this

you knew when you were a child, but especially when the, there was such a stark difference

between the material conditions in the west and compared

the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe and there was some knowledge of that. So why don't you start by telling

everyone what you experienced as a child and how you saw the world,

you know, up to the point where you entered, say, entered university.

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