On this episode of the Symbolic World podcast, I am playing for you a discussion ahead with Greg Hurwitz.

Greg Hurwitz is an author, and he's also becoming a political player trying to recast the Democratic Party in the United States as a more centrist party.

This discussion with Greg was very interesting for me because it was more political than what I usually get into.

And not surprisingly enough, it has been one of my least popular podcast, the one that has had the most negative comments and the most, let's say, thumbs down.

Because, of course, most people know that I am a mostly, I am more conservative.

I'm a conservative Christian, an icon carver, and so in some ways I'm a traditionalist.

And I think people were surprised to see me discussing so openly with someone who is on the other

side of the political spectrum than myself.

But I would say that I wanted to put it up in the podcast nonetheless because I think

these discussions are important to be had.

And it is the refusal we have to discuss honestly and openly about our similarities and differences, which is bringing us to

this situation of what seems to be a rising conflict. And so hopefully you can get something

from the discussion and hope you enjoy.

This is Jonathan Peugeot.

Welcome to the symbolic world.

Red, maybe you can also give your own introduction to yourself.

Maybe tell us a bit about what you've written, about your experience as a writer, and then we'll jump into the storytelling.

Great. Well, you covered it pretty well i mean

i i write novels uh my new series is called orphan acts i've done movies and uh and tv and then i

worked a lot in comics i did i my first comic was the punisher who's my favorite character for

marvel i did some Wolverine. I did

some Moon Night. And then I went over to DC and wrote Batman for a couple years, which was like

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