Welcome to the Scuff Podcast where we talk about US Soccer. Our guest today is a man who has won the MLS Supporters Shield and U.S. Open Cup as a manager.

He won MLS Coach of the Year in 2003, served as an assistant coach to Bruce Arena at the 2002 World Cup, and in the 2018 cycle, and won several

MLS titles as an assistant coach. His resume is extensive, so I won't get to all of it. But for

our purposes, perhaps the most relevant thing is that he was the interim U.S. men's national team

coach in 2017 and 2018 when Scuff was just getting started and he gave a huge share of the current

national team, their first senior cap.

Welcome to Scuffed, Dave Serrekin.

Thanks for being here.

Appreciate it.

Happy to be with you guys.

We're all watching an interim coach do his job right now in B.J. Callahan and the coach before

him was an interim coach, of course, Anthony Hudson. How is the job of an interim coach of course Anthony Hudson how is the job of an interim

national team coach unique do you think and how is it different from that of a

you know permanent coach I'm using air quotes there. Yeah, well it's good to be on with you guys.

Yeah, the interim tag is interesting.

Maybe it's a little different for each each person that's occupied that chair.

For me personally, obviously the history is well noted that it followed a very difficult day in Koova against T&T.

So the circumstances were quite different for me when I took over, then maybe with Anthony and then with B.J.

But on a general level, I'd say that for me personally, can only speak to this is that I jumped in head first I

didn't look at it as a stepping stone in any way.

I didn't look at it, like, boy, if I do well,

I could be the head coach.

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