Hello everyone. Today I have the opportunity to talk to Sam Harris once again.

Sam and I have spoken many times, and usually publicly in the past trying to sort out our mutual understanding in relationship to such topics as, well, morality fundamentally.

Both Sam and I are convinced to the core of our beings,

you might say, that there is a true and not merely relative distinction between good and evil,

although we differ to some degree

in how that distinction might be characterized

and what the fact of that distinction means with regard to

belief and so every time I talk to Sam I'm interested in trying to understand for

example what he really means by trying to

understand, for example, what he really means by objecting to the religious propositions that he does object to as one of the horsemen of the new

atheist movement, so-called,

especially given that Sam is also committed

to what you might describe as a religious practice.

He's an avid meditator and certainly believes that spiritual experience is not only real,

but perhaps the most real form of experience that's available to us.

So we're going to hash through that again to try to distinguish between dogma and knowledge,

to try to distinguish between dogment and knowledge, to try to distinguish between

religious experience per se, or the religious experience

that's valuable and a counterproductive totalitarian dogmatism, and to try to lay that all out with forays into the

domains of, well, meditative practice and with the occasional description and discussion of the political.

So it's good to see you again, Sam.

And I think the first thing that I will ask you about

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