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#407 Bruce Springsteen Repairs the Hole in Himself

Founders

David Senra

Steve Jobs, Founders, James Dyson, Company Builders, Technology, Henry Ford, Elon Musk, Business Professional Biography, How I Built This, The History Of Entrepreneurship, Jim Clark, Entrepreneurship, Entrepreneurs, History, Founder, Business Autobiography, Jeff Bezos, Entrepreneur, Biography, Biographies Of Entrepreneurs, Biographies, Business, Business Biography

4.81.5K Ratings

🗓️ 14 December 2025

⏱️ 73 minutes

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Summary

A viciously unhappy childhood causes Bruce Springsteen to retreat into work in an extreme way as he searches for success (and control). He channels his pain into focus and drive and gets everything he thought he wanted. He didn’t yet know he was lying to himself. He will find that out soon. He falls into a deep depression. One that almost leads to s*icide. With the help of his true friend Jon Landau he seeks professional help. This help helps immediately. The lie he was telling himself was that work was the most important thing in his life. What he really wanted, was what he was incapable of doing: forming a lasting and loving relationship with a woman. For that he realizes he can’t run. For that he realizes he has to stay. That thought terrifies him and is what caused him to seek help. He meets a truly singular woman and for the first time in his life he's able to have a healthy relationship with someone he loves. This realization comes almost 400 pages into Bruce’s incredible autobiography (one of the best I’ve ever read) and it is shocking. I originally thought I was making an episode about Bruce Springsteen’s extreme work ethic (one example: He wrote this book out by hand, multiple times, over 7 years. It’s almost 600 pages. He’s like this with everything btw.) But as I read, and reread this book over the last 6 months I realized that is not the most important part of the story. The work Bruce had to do to fix his mind is the heart and soul of the book. The work he did with Dr. Wayne Myers over 25 years is what allowed him to have a life. Not just a job. A life. As Bruce says after coming through the other side of this: “Work is work . . . but life . . . is life . . . and life trumps art . . . always.” This is a very unusual episode of Founders. I hope you enjoy it. If you want to skip to the part where he starts dealing with the struggles going on in his mind that starts 46 minutes in. Episode sponsors: ⁠ Ramp⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ gives you everything you need to control spend, watch your costs, and optimize your financial operations —all on a single platform. Make history's greatest entrepreneurs proud ⁠⁠⁠by going to Ramp and learning how they can help your business control your costs and save time and money.⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://ramp.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ Automate compliance, security, and trust with Vanta.⁠ ⁠⁠⁠Vanta helps you win trust, close deals, and stay secure—faster and with less effort⁠⁠⁠⁠. ⁠⁠⁠Find out how increased security leads to more customers by going to Vanta⁠⁠⁠. Tell them David from Founders sent you and you'll get $1000 off. ⁠⁠⁠https://www.vanta.com/founders⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠ Collateral⁠⁠ transforms your complex ideas into compelling narratives. Collateral crafts institutional grade marketing collateral for private equity, private credit, real estate, venture capital, family offices, hedge funds, oil & gas companies, and all kinds of corporations. Storytelling is one of the highest forms of leverage and you should invest heavily in it. You can do that by going to ⁠⁠https://collateral.com

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0:00.0

I've been dancing around with this book on and off for probably like six months, maybe even longer.

0:05.1

So I'd read parts of it, I'd put it down, I'd pick it back up.

0:08.8

I wasn't even sure how, like how to make an episode about it or even if I should make an episode about it.

0:15.5

But what kept me coming back was that Bruce is able to describe ideas that have been in my head.

0:23.6

There's stuff in this book that I have believed, that I have experienced, especially with his,

0:30.9

the way he views his work, that I have been unable to articulate before.

0:35.7

I have been unable to put into words the exact same

0:41.2

feeling that Bruce describes in the book. And what is great about this book, and this is where I was

0:47.1

really unsure, is he's unbelievably honest about things that most people hide. He is writing the book as a nearly 70-year-old man

0:56.9

full of experience and hard-earned wisdom that only comes from time and from living a full life.

1:03.6

And so I want to tell you what made me pick up the book to begin with. I've told you over and

1:07.1

again that one of my favorite documentaries, one I've watched, I don't know, 10, 15 times.

1:10.6

It's called The Defiant Ones. It is a four-part series on the partnership between Jimmy Iveen and Dr. Dre. To me, it's one of the best documentaries about entrepreneurship. And Bruce Springsteen and Jimmy Iveen are very close friends. They work together. And in that documentary, I heard Bruce Springsteen say this. He said, I didn't want to be rich.

1:30.2

I didn't want to be famous. I didn't even want to be happy. I wanted to be great. And what drew me to

1:38.2

Bruce Springsteen was when in the documentary, Jimmy Iveen said it was Bruce Springsteen that taught

1:43.9

Jimmy about work ethic. And so I'm going to read a few quotes from Bruce Springsteen that's in the documentary that made me pick up his autobiography. And so he says, if you want to accomplish what hasn't been accomplished before, you have to be relentlessly and unapologetically determined. When you're trying to push the boundaries on things and when you're moving into different types of frontiers you need to be surrounded by people who really believe in what you're doing we were

2:03.5

just very very determined if you were new to our club the relentless pursuit of our idea would

2:10.0

have exhausted you it was simply understood that you're there because you believed what we were

2:15.1

doing was worth it and he's describing working on the

2:18.6

album that changes his life. It is his third album. It's called Born to Run, which is also the

2:23.3

name of his autobiography in the book I'm going to talk to you about today. Now, this work ethic never

2:27.3

left him. So even though he wrote this autobiography by hand. This book is almost 600 pages. It's huge. He hand wrote the entire manuscript in his notebook,

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