This is Uneraced, a history of gay conversion therapy in America.

I'm Chad Abumrod.

We're going to conclude the series with a story that is the story everyone told us we have to tell

if we're going to do a series about conversion therapy. It's a story about a man

named Smith. News cameras started showing up.

Bullhorns came out and all of a sudden I heard

John Smith we know you're in there.

John Smith we know you're here. It was as though a torpedo had just hit the side of our ship. The ship that John Smith captained, before it was torpedoed, was the largest ex-gay ministry in America.

It's called Love in Action.

called the Love in Action. It's called love and action. For almost 25 years, from 1994, 2008,

if you were an evangelical Christian who had a gay son or daughter

and you wanted to convert them to straight, you might have sent them to John.

And for maybe $7,000 he would run them through his program.

And I want you to tell him how affected.

He is the guy in Boyeraced, that torments Garrett Conley.

Tell him how you hate him for the things that he's, the way he, you sit down, sit down.

But I'm not angry. And, and, and, and, yeah, no. That upset me but I'm not angry and and and yeah no things that

upset you are you just let me down you're angry but you do I have to be

angry I don't like my life to be painted as a villain and that's kind of the way I feel about this movie. It's like I don't like it. It's uncomfortable. I don't like the movie. I don't like the book. I don't like what people are saying. I don't like the book I don't like what people are saying I don't like

hearing garid talk about it I don't like it it's uncomfortable at the same time

there is truth in that I was a forerunner and a spokesperson and a national and international leader that said you must eradicate homosexuality from your life. That's just the price.

These days John Smith is living a very different life. My life has been

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