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Is everybody else less of a pain in the ass than us?

I think we're... I think I'm the pain in the ass because I've never done it before and I'm not a professional.

Hey, everybody. This is working it out. This is a completely unique episode today with a wife and husband, Lyrical Duo, from my favorite band, The National Matt Burninger and Corinne Besser, as well as my wife, Jen, who co-wrote our book, The New One, With Me. She's a poet.

Corinne is a poet. This conversation actually started at the Amundsen Theatre in Los Angeles last fall when these guys came to my show and we thought we should have a more complete conversation. And that's what this is.

So we have this rare thing in common with you guys, which is that we're both married couples who collaborate on writing. And that's a complex thing because collaboration is hard to begin with.

You're sort of opening up your soul to somebody and saying, like, here's what I got and they're like, here's what I got. And it's not finished or done or...

And so when you do that with the person you're in love with, I feel like there's more baked into it inherently.

That is really one of our biggest sort of debates is how much we should share with each other, like, too soon and...

It is tricky, especially when it's so subjective and stuff like poetry and comedy and music and songs.

In some ways, it's easier because someone else's blurry thoughts can sometimes comingle with your blurry thoughts because it's sort of a blurry format.

But you get really attached to your version of the blurry idea.

And then someone else comes in and hears something different. But like, writing a love song is kind of tricky. But we manage to do it, but we do get really heated emotional...

Sure, yeah.

...the baked so far.

Yeah, I mean, I was thinking when we were going to... knowing we were going to talk about this, I had this thought.

Yesterday, I was like, wow, yeah, Matt and I really... we fight about it and we have conversations like that conversation we had with you that night.

But we've never really sat and talked about like, so what are we doing? Am I bringing the verses and we're doing that? We're really rarely doing that.

And I think...

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