This is TBSI on the world. I'm John Batchew with Luis Elizando. He is the author of

Iminate Inside the Pentagon's Hunt for UFOs. I started this book thinking this will be

entertaining and by the end I came to a

revelation this is not only not entertaining this is maddening because we're not getting

transparency from the government that we support and why not.

Now we've done what we can, the history so far from when Lou was first read into the program in 2009 until this moment, but still

no clarity.

Lou, what is the legacy program? So the legacy program is a term that's used to loosely define the historic

UFO UAP efforts of the US government and also the efforts by certain defense contractors, aerospace

contractors to try to glean some information and exploit this technology and try to understand how this technology works.

And that is referred to as the legacy program.

And the legacy program has facts, has objects, might have organic beings in some fashion, has materials, all of which

exist and have existed in time.

Where are they?

Do we have a guess, Lou?

So the artifacts you are referring to, material artifacts

are pieces that were recovered from an event of crash.

And that crash, for all practical purposes, does not appear to be a conventional technology. It does not

an adversarial technology.

and we're pretty certain it's not an adversarial technology.

And the material has been initially

when you have an event, the material is usually

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