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Okay, well, I want to then ask, did he, while you're confessing and you're going

through this process with him in the office, did he at any point say to you,

I want you to pray or I want you to read your, I mean, it's really hard for people who

are in faith crisis to get those talks from their bishop. I mean, I've heard you say that, right?

Where they go in and they talk to their bishop and they say, well, are you reading

your scriptures and are you saying your prayers? And that's hard for people to hear.

But at this point, did he ever say any of those things to you? Did you start doing

them on your own? Tell me if you're started personally incorporating any kind

of spiritual practice, even meditation or like you were saying, nature walks or talk about that.

So early on, he, he would ask about prayer and scripture and, you know, I'm probably

a bishop or state president's nightmare because I just said, yeah, the scriptures are the problem.

The more I read the scriptures, the angrier I get. And you want to talk about why?

Let me give you some examples. And it didn't take long before he realized that wasn't

going to work with me, you know, saying, go do that, right? Go pray and read the

scriptures. So he stopped. What he did do interestingly is, you know, fast forward

six months or a year, he started incorporating scriptures into some of the talks

that we would have. And they would be very edifying. So one really, really important

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