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So what happened was, so I had all these positive experiences with General Thirties.

I knew that they felt my pain. I knew that they felt like these issues were legitimate.

And so in this process, I get an email out of the blue.

And it's from this guy and he says, I go to church with someone who works directly for Daniel Peterson

in the Maxwell Institute. And he told me that the Maxwell Institute has commissioned a hit piece

and he called it a hit piece on you. He said it's over 100 pages footnoted and it's all about

character assassination. It's all about trying to expose you as a fraud, trying to expose you as

duplicitous, trying to expose you as someone who's trying to, a wolf in sheep's clothing,

trying to lead the people astray, trying to expose you as an antichrist, basically.

So, um, so I was like, what? Like, I couldn't believe it. Like, and after having talked to the

Apostle and the General Thirtie and all the positive things they had said to me, I couldn't believe

that this is something that the church would want its name on. Right? Because they were all about

how do we reduce the pain? How do we solve these problems? Thank you for the good work you're

doing to help us. They were using my data and my research to help them solve their problems.

Like, like, why would the church want to attack me when I'm helping them? So it didn't make sense

and it felt out of the spirit of what these two General Thirties would want. It just felt like

they would never bless this. And so I've been trying to interview Daniel Peterson for years.

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