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Michaeline Dukeleth is a correspondent for NPR's Science Desk. In 2015 she was part of the team that

earned a George Foster Peabody Award for its coverage of the Ebola outbreak in West Africa.

Prior to NPR Dukeleth was an editor at the journal Cell where she wrote about the science behind

pop culture. She is a doctorate in chemistry from the University of California Berkeley and a

master's degree in viticulture and analogy from UC Davis. But today she's here to chat about

her best-selling book titled Hunt Gather Parent. What ancient cultures can teach us about the

lost art of raising happy, helpful little humans. Michaeline, welcome. Thank you for having me.

It is so great to have you. I loved your book Hunt Gather Parent. It reminded me very much of

the blue zones except for parenting. And so let's start with the why. Talk about your personal journey

hitting rock bottom which led to this incredible book. Let's start. Let's go there.

Yeah, you know, it was when my daughter Rosie who I always want to say is an amazing

kid. Like she's smart and strong and funny. I mean she really is like incredible almost

too incredible in many ways. But she's also just like a handful. Like she's persistent and

emotional and strongwill and all those things that we like to call, you know, really go get her

kids, right? And when she was a toddler like two, she started having these horrible tantrums. I mean

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