Howdy folks, welcome back to the podcast. Katie and I are thoroughly excited to share this interview with you all.

We're going to be speaking with Claire Morel, who is a fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center and the director of its technology and human flourishing project.

She is also the author of the forthcoming book, The Tech Exit, a practical guide to

freeing kids and teens from smartphones, which will be published by Penguin House,

Random House in June of 2025. She's been featured in the New York Times, Newsweek, National

Review, an assortment of publications, the Wall Street Journal, World

Magazine. She is somebody that I would consider to be an expert on the subject matter. And as you

all know, Katie and I care deeply about how we are going to be utilizing screens and smartphones

and similar technologies with our children. I think it's a crucial subject to consider as parents.

And so we're really excited to be able to speak to somebody that's devoted a ton of their life

to the subject and has found some remarkable research.

And not only finds research, but she also provides a ton of solutions and alternative forms

of living other than smartphone living.

Because I think that that's something that's a little bit frustrating is I think you talk

to the average parent, Christian parent, and they don't like what's happening with smartphones

or with screen addiction, video games, you know, social media.

And yet there doesn't seem to be a clear solution to moving forward and having an impact

in the life that we're in the world that we're living in and yet not being drug down to the

depths of disgustingness that can come from smartphones and social media and so forth. So anyways,

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