Hi, I'm Helen and I'm Sarah.

And this is a squiggly careers podcast, a weekly show where we dive into the ins out,

ups and downs of work and give you some tools to try out, some ideas for action and a little bit of

squiggly career support so that you can navigate all that stuff with a bit more confidence

and control. And this week we're talking about how to be organised at work. And this has actually given us more debate and discussion than you

might imagine. And Helen and I were going, are we organised? Are we actually incredible at this?

Or have we actually got loads of room for improvement? And I think probably the answer is a bit of both.

But we do feel like in a squiggly career, it is incredibly useful to be organised

because we're all working on so many different tasks, different projects at the same time.

I think it is hard to succeed.

It's hard to get stuff done if you are not organised.

And I think sometimes people pretend to not be organised. You know, I've definitely

come across people who... They pretend to not be? Yeah. You know, and it's like, oh yeah, I'm sort of

very... I just sort of happen. Fly away and it just sort of happens. And then either those people

are secretly more organised than they're saying, or they've got someone helping them is the other thing

that I've definitely seen.

So I think sometimes it's a bit undervalued and underappreciated as a skill.

I was starting to figure out, I was like, well, what are the outcomes?

What do you get better at if you're more organised?

Then the list actually gets quite long pretty quickly.

You're like, oh, well, I'll be better at prioritising I'll do more of the work that

has higher impact I'll be better at collaborating with the other people that I work with in a hybrid

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