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39: Part 1: Tracy Walder is The Unexpected Spy. From the CIA to the FBI - stories of terrorism and espionage.

Game of Crimes

Game of Crimes

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4.8 • 1.5K Ratings

🗓️ 7 March 2022

⏱️ 93 minutes

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Summary

Tracy Walder planned on being a history teacher, but then Osama bin Laden issued a fatwa which changed the course of her career. A chance encounter with a CIA recruiter on the USC college campus in Los Angeles propelled her into a post-9/11 world chasing down terrorists looking to create dangerous chemical weapons. From one country to another, Tracy operated in some of the toughest areas of the world. She brought her experience back home to the FBI, getting involved in a significant long-term espionage case.







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0:00.0

Tracey Walder talks about how Osama bin Laden inspired her to eventually join the CIA.

0:18.3

Going back to sort of getting into the agency, again, you know, obviously I went to what

0:25.2

I think is a good school and you know at the time they did not have counterterrorism

0:29.6

classes. It wasn't a thing. Why would that be in anyone's curriculum, right? And so I tried

0:36.1

to take, I wanted to learn more, right, about this situation. Really my turmoil point for

0:42.0

the Middle East was always Israel Palestine, right? That's what I grew up with, particularly

0:45.4

as a Jew, Israel Palestine, Israel Palestine, Israel Palestine. That's what I always knew.

0:49.2

But obviously this taught me that there was more bin Laden taught me that there was more. And so

0:53.7

I started taking, you know, introduction to Islam. I took, I took courses in Islam and I took

0:58.6

Middle Eastern history. I took international affairs. I tried to start adding those classes

1:02.8

to my repertoire at USC, but there weren't classes available and there really weren't,

1:08.8

I know this sounds strange, but there really weren't jobs. Welcome to Game of Crimes.

1:29.6

Welcome back players and players to the most exciting podcast on the interweb. It is exciting.

1:35.6

Why? Because I'm the host. I mean, I, Murph, I just got to admit it, you know, I am Morgan

1:41.5

Ryan. I am the host. That's what makes it exciting. Post it. Hey, and I'm Steve Murphy.

1:47.2

Call me Murph. And you see what I deal with. So bear with me. Yeah. Your burden is small compared

1:53.6

to mine, pal. So hey, guys, well, thanks for joining us. Just, hey, some real quick housekeeping.

2:00.0

I want, we want to talk a little bit about last week too, but just a quick bit of housekeeping

2:04.2

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2:08.4

single stars. That's all it takes to make the world a better place to bring peace to Ukraine.

2:13.7

It really would. I mean, if we got five stars, Murph and I would, we're going to saddle up and

2:17.4

go over and take care of business, aren't we, Murph? Okay. I got your ticket. You're going with

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