Well, we've got a strange one today for a change.

I'm a deadhead.

I love the Grateful Dead.

Last week, I had Norm Ornstein of the American Enterprise Institute on the erosion of norms and how that has led us to where we are today in this country, the impeachment trial, of course.

And I will talk about that in a moment.

But this week's is a conversation with John

Mayor who plays with Dead and Company, the latest incarnation of the Grateful Dead. And he stepped

in about five years ago to fill some really big shoes, Jerry Garcia's.

And I think we have a fascinating conversation, you know, for a change, about John, who I had not

heard of until he joined Dead and Company.

Evidently, he was a very big star before he joined the dead. I'm a little

clueless on pop culture. I interviewed John at a resort in Mexico where 5,000 affluent deadheads came for a four-day thing. Now, I admit that I have

a emotional connection to the Grateful Dead. It reminds me of my old partner, Tom Davis, who

introduced me to the Dead, and we went to a lot of shows together.

So did Frannie and I.

And I actually took my daughter to a number of shows.

She got to meet Jerry.

Actually, Thomason called the encore at a concert at the Meadowlands.

You know, everyone was called, this long, long, long shouting for the encore.

And Thomason, I think, turned to Lesh and said, the bass player and said,

could you do a box of rain?

And Jerry just went like, yeah, let's do do that and I hadn't done it in a while but

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