From Relay FM, this is Upgrade Episode 386, today's holiday special is brought to you

by Bombus, Hunter Douglas, and Setap.

My name is Mike Hurley, and I'm joined by Jason Snow.

Hi, Jason Snow.

Happy holidays, Mr. Mike Hurley.

It's Christmas week.

Ho, ho, ho, to you, my friend.

Well, ho, ho, to you, too.

I have some jingle bell snow talk for you.

Oh, it comes from JD who wants to know, this is not a quest, this is not, I've, I've

resisted a holiday, snow talk because we are, we are basically all holiday, ask Upgrade

for the, the entire episode today, could we got like a billion questions, which is great.

But this one comes from JD who asked, have you ever tried coding, and if so, what language?

Well, I have, yes, is the answer JD.

I started using basic when I was a kid where you had to number the lines of code, and that's

how you navigate it around.

I was thinking about that the other day that I remember the first time I saw a programming

language, I think it was Pascal that didn't have line numbers, and I couldn't understand

how you would do a program without line numbers.

And I think back now, and I think like, why did you need the line numbers?

But it was how I was thinking, it was how it was taught.

And I learned a lot of basic, and, and then we have to go to AppleScript after that.

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