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385- Why Bad Teams Aren't Always Bad Managers w/Chris Pacifico

You've Been Heard

Philip Howard

Technology, Tech News, News, Management, Business

549 Ratings

🗓️ 19 December 2025

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

Chris Pacifico is Director of IT and infrastructure strategist at a healthcare company focused on mobility devices. He's spent 30 years in IT, moving from programming to hardware to security, and he's learned some hard truths about team leadership that contradict popular wisdom.Chris walked into a six-person team that wasn't actually a team. It was six individuals doing six separate jobs with zero coordination. Think baseball played by individuals instead of football where everyone works together. Sound familiar?The leadership gurus all say the same thing: there are no bad teams, only bad managers. Chris used to believe that. Until reality hit. "You can be the best manager in the world with a team of five. Four guys willing to bust their hump. And that one bad apple will still take a good team down." That's the truth nobody wants to admit.We get into his customer mindset shift. How he stopped his team from calling people "end users" and started treating them like actual customers with real business problems. "Your wife went into labor and they had to redirect her to a different hospital. You're going to get mad if you don't get that answer quick, right? Well, that sales guy's got a big deal on the line. His email is down. That's huge for him too."We cover the boring project that changed everything. Active Directory cleanup sounds terrible, but it became the foundation for everything else. Better team collaboration, faster ticket resolution, clearer communication with the business. Sometimes the unglamorous work creates the biggest wins.Chris talks about technology that actually works versus shiny objects that don't solve real problems. Microsoft To Do eliminated his post-it note chaos and helped entire departments stop missing deadlines. Power Automate reduced email overload for customer service teams. Simple tools that solve real problems beat complex solutions nobody uses.The biggest struggle? Getting executives to stop seeing IT as "little gnomes sitting under the stairs running around with turkey legs." They want cutting-edge AI but won't fund basic security. They dismiss IT input until there's a ransomware attack. Then suddenly money flows, but only until the pain fades. Chris has lived through companies where someone said "we make cardboard boxes, nobody's going to hack us." Three weeks later? Ransomware attack.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Let's jump right into this.

0:10.8

I'm so excited to have you on the show today.

0:14.4

Welcome to the show, Director of IT, Infrastructure Strategist,

0:17.3

cutting through the noise to build systems.

0:20.2

I would love to know what that noise is, and I love talking about cutting through the noise to build systems. I would love to know what that noise is,

0:21.5

and I love talking about cutting through the noise. Systems that actually work in teams that perform,

0:26.1

which is really what we're trying to do anyways, right? And I had a great podcast with Dana the

0:31.2

other day, who it's actually in the chat right now. But Chris, please introduce yourself.

0:36.0

Tell me how you got into IT, whether it be your first

0:38.7

computer, and then we'll jump right into why a bad attitude can sync any team.

0:43.2

Yeah. So my name is Chris Pacifico. I've been in IT for a better part of way more many

0:49.0

years than I'd like to admit. I've been doing this for about 30 odd years. Whenever we do new higher

0:55.1

orientations, the joke is always, I got in IT because of lack of dating in high school, not

0:59.5

necessarily my choice, but what are you going to do? It was something that interested me because

1:03.8

it was something that was always different, especially at the time it was back in the days of

1:08.1

tandy color computer back in the early, early day pre-window stuff. And it was something was always different. That's just something just drug, it just pulled me to that because having that same thing over and over and over and over wasn't my cup of tea. But with computers, it was always something different. So that's how I got into it. It was, I feel for my children, I don't know if you have any children, but I feel for all of them

1:30.1

that they didn't get to experience the fun time of wind dot to load windows or CD black, backslash

1:38.5

or auto exec bat and all these different things to move memory around.

1:43.3

They're great memories.

1:45.2

I remember trying to get Ultima 3 to run on my 386 and it was it took to actually I had to find someone smarter than me.

1:51.8

It was Andrew Paul. He actually became a, he became a Navy SEAL. So how did it build from there?

1:57.6

So Tandy Radio Shack, Battery Club, Radio Shack was fun. How do you grow up?

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