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Sean Carroll's Mindscape: Science, Society, Philosophy, Culture, Arts, and Ideas

38 | Alan Lightman on Transcendence, Science, and a Naturalist’s Sense of Meaning

Sean Carroll's Mindscape: Science, Society, Philosophy, Culture, Arts, and Ideas

Sean Carroll | Wondery

Society & Culture, Physics, Philosophy, Science, Ideas, Society

4.84.4K Ratings

🗓️ 18 March 2019

⏱️ 77 minutes

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Summary

Let’s say, for sake of argument, that you don’t believe in God or the supernatural. Is there still a place for talking about transcendence, the sacred, and meaning in life? Some of the above, but not all? Today’s guest, Alan Lightman, brings a unique perspective to these questions, as someone who has worked within both the sciences and the humanities at the highest level. In his most recent book, Searching for Stars on an Island in Maine, he makes the case that naturalists should take transcendence seriously. We talk about the assumptions underlying scientific practice, and the implications that the finitude of our lives has for our search for meaning. Support Mindscape on Patreon or Paypal. Alan Lightman received his Ph.D. in physics from the California Institute of Technology. After a number of years working as a theoretical astrophysicist specializing in black holes and high-energy processes, he scored an international bestseller with his novel Einstein’s Dreams. Increasingly concentrating on writing, he moved from Harvard to MIT, where he became the first professor to be jointly appointed in the sciences and the humanities. He later was made the John Burchard Professor of Humanities at MIT, which he has subsequently stepped down from to devote more time to writing. He is the recipient of numerous awards, including the Gemant Award from the American Institute of Physics. He is also the founder of the Harpswell Foundation, which supports young women leaders in Southeast Asia. Web page Wikipedia Amazon author page Harpswell Foundation See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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0:00.0

Hello everybody and welcome to the Mindscape Podcast.

0:03.6

I'm your host, Sean Carroll.

0:05.4

And today we're going to talk about a topic that no one has ever really disagreed about

0:09.6

before, which is the relationship of science and religion.

0:13.4

Actually, I'm just kidding.

0:14.6

Just have to say that because it's the internet, right?

0:17.3

That's the sarcasm.

0:18.3

People have disagreed about this before.

0:19.8

In fact, people have very strong opinions about it.

0:22.8

So I'm sure the people who listen to the episode will bring those opinions to the experience.

0:28.1

The person I'm talking to is Alan Lightman, who's a professor of writing at MIT.

0:33.8

Alan is sort of uniquely positioned to think about these kinds of issues because he was

0:38.5

a successful professional physicist who transitioned into being a successful writer and professor

0:44.9

writing.

0:45.9

You may know him from the very famous and celebrated book, Einstein's Dreams, which was a novel

0:52.2

in the form of a number of different scenarios that Albert Einstein might have been thinking

0:57.0

about when he was inventing a theory of relativity.

1:00.0

So he's really a successful example of someone who has mastered both sciences and the humanities.

1:05.6

And actually in this discussion, I think it's safe to say we don't disagree that much.

1:10.3

There's little tiny differences of emphasis here and there, but we're both naturalists.

1:14.9

We're both atheists.

1:16.6

And we want to be firm about that, but also to carve out some space for talking about experiences

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