Hi, I'm Helen and I'm Sarah and you're listening to the Squiggly Careers podcast, a weekly podcast where we talk about the ins, outs, ups and downs of work and give you some ideas for action, some tools to try out and hopefully just a little bit of squiggly career support for whatever you might be going through at the moment. And if it's the first time that you've listened to the podcast, it's worth knowing that we create lots of things to make learning last. So as well as

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on the focus of the episode.

And we are recording this in the same room

together today. It is also a glass

meeting room. I feel like lots of people are looking at us. Lots of people are watching us.

So if we sound a slightly echo it is because of all the glass, there is a lot of glass.

But also we have got people staring at us from all directions. So, you know, we're just going

to ignore that. I'm just going to go with the flow.

And go with the flow.

So hopefully at times we get a bit distracted,

it's probably because someone's just staring at us,

which is exactly what's just happened.

And I think what will probably happen is,

you know that thing in meeting rooms

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