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See, I was mischaracterized as he says he is in many ways. Now, some of it isn't, but he's just hard a worker. He's a great player. He wants

to win as bad as anybody out there. So, you know, it's not fair to just say T.O. or join

the chorus of criticisms of him, but it's also fair to say that there were some challenges

in him. Donovan was not somebody that's hard to get along with. He didn't have those kind of problems with most of his teammates. But I also think it's unfair to just pin the whole

thing on T.O. Welcome to episode number 373 of the Jim Rome podcast. I am Jim Rome. Thanks for finding

it. And great to have you here. And by now,

you know what we do here. We stretch out. We go long form. And we have the kind of conversations

that I simply cannot have on our daily program. And this week is no different. My guest is a

former NFL executive who spent 19 years with the Philadelphia Eagles serving his final 12 years there as team president.

During his time with Philadelphia, the team made the playoffs 11 times.

They won six divisional titles.

They played in five NFC championship games, and they made a Super Bowl appearance.

He also worked for the Cleveland Browns from 2012 to 2014, and he completed his tenure there as the team CEO.

Of course, I'm talking about Joe Banner.

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