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a popular front a podcast focus on the very niche and kind of geeky details of modern warfare

with me Jake Hanrahan.

Today we're speaking to John Jacobi.

He's a researcher and writer focused entirely on radical environmentalism.

John is going to be speaking about the underreported but new wave of

echote terrorism right now and how that's evolving into something that can only be

described as militant nihilism specifically speaking about a group called

individuals tending towards savagery or ITS, a militant eco-extremist group in

South America and Europe. Apologies, the sound quality on this one is a little bit ratty.

I'm not sure what happened, but it's definitely listenable.

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so John firstly can you explain what is ecoterrorism?

And we use ecoterrorism. I hate to use the word terrorism in any context, but you know,

for the sake of this podcast, let let's say what is ecoterrorism

ecoterrorism is is sabotage done in the name of in the name of protecting the environment or sometimes it's not explicitly for environmental

protection sometimes the targets aren't necessarily related to any particular kind of environmental destruction.

But the terrorists might believe that just the technological infrastructure overall needs to collapse for the sake of the biosphere and natural human needs.

And so they'll just target tech companies in general, things that are really crucial to the operating to the operation of the of the technological system overall like computer companies

Right and I think when people think eco-terrorism initially they usually think Ted Kaczynski the Unabomber but there's more to it than that right maybe you can go into the history of eco-terrorism a little bit for us

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