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Gender: A Wider Lens

36 - Talking Testosterone with Carole Hooven

Gender: A Wider Lens

Sasha Ayad and Stella O'Malley

Health & Fitness, Society & Culture, Mental Health

4.6961 Ratings

🗓️ 13 August 2021

⏱️ 65 minutes

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Summary

Carole Hooven, Ph.D., is lecturer and co-director of undergraduate studies in the Department of Human Evolutionary Biology at Harvard University. She earned her Ph.D. at Harvard, studying sex differences and testosterone, and has taught there ever since. Hooven has received numerous teaching awards, and her popular Hormones and Behavior class was named one of the Harvard Crimson’s “top ten tried-and-true.”

In this episode, Stella and Sasha talk to Carole about her new book, Testosterone, which explores the powerful impact this sex hormone has on the human body. This discussion revolves around a central theme: to make the world a better place, we must be willing to understand the harsh realities of our mammalian nature and take into account the biological drives behind our behavior.


Links:

Carole Hooven:

Twitter: twitter.com/hoovlet?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

www.carolehooven.com/

Carole’s Book: us.macmillan.com/books/9781250236067

Carole’s Link Tree: linktr.ee/CaroleHooven

Stella’s Review: www.standard.co.uk/culture/books/testosteronedr-carole-hooven-review-b941337.html

Katie Herzog’s piece in Barri Weiss’s substack:

bariweiss.substack.com/p/what-happens-when-doctors-cant-speak

bariweiss.substack.com/p/med-schools-are-now-denying-biological


Extended Notes

  • A little bit about Carole and her experience.
  • Carole talks about her book, T: The Story of Testosterone, The Hormone That Dominates and Divides Us.
  • When Carole was in Uganda studying chimps, she always knew that if she was working with only females, her day would be pretty relaxed. It’s when the males came to play, however, that she had a full day on her hands.
  • Carole witnessed a male chimp viciously and brutally beat a female chimp who wanted nothing more than to protect her child. It was shocking to watch.
  • Carole breaks down the importance of testosterone and estrogen in our bodies.
  • Males resolve conflict much more quickly than females. There is a reason why there is a hierarchy and it benefits the entire pack to know who’s who.
  • What did Carole discover when she interviewed a wide variety of people going through testosterone procedures?
  • Carole found some fascinating things. People who were living as biological women and hated being objectified, now transitioned into men, found themselves having urges to objectify women.
  • Our nurture can be significantly modeled. The power of our environment can shape our nature.
  • What is CAH and why do women who have this tend to have more male-oriented positions?
  • Just witness how boys vs. girls play with one another. There is a reason for this act in play between the sexes. This crosses all cultures and is even witnessed in animals.
  • Carole shares her insights about gay men and their sexual patterns.
  • Knowledge is power. Carole is passionate about this because it’s important to know how we work on a biological level. We think if we...

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0:00.0

You're listening to gender, a wider lens.

0:04.0

I'm Stella O'Malley, a psychotherapist in Ireland.

0:06.5

And I'm Sasha Ayad, an adolescent therapist in the United States.

0:10.6

Since 2016, my practice has been exclusively dedicated to gender questioning teens

0:16.1

and families impacted by gender dysphoria. I also work with gender questioning

0:20.7

teenagers and I facilitated support meetings for families and

0:24.2

individuals who have been impacted by gender issues. We're curious about the

0:28.1

concept of gender and how it's unfolding in the wider culture. Join us as we look at gender through a wider lens.

0:37.8

Carol Hoven teaches in and co-directs the undergraduate program

0:42.0

in the Department of Human Evolutionary Biology at Harvard University.

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She earned her BA in psychology from Antioch College in 1988 and her PhD at Harvard in 2004, researching sex differences and testosterone, and has taught

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at Harvard ever since.

0:58.9

She has received numerous teaching awards and her hormones and behavior class was named one of Harvard's

1:04.0

crimson top 10 tried and true. We talked to Carol today about her recent book

1:09.8

T the story of testosterone the hormone that dominates and divides us.

1:15.8

We also talk to Carol about some of the complicated and difficult social consequences

1:20.3

she's faced from writing and speaking about biology during a very heated

1:25.2

cultural climate. Here's our conversation with Carol.

1:28.1

Hi Sasha, how are you? I'm great Stella. How about you? I'm very well. I'm great Stella how about you I'm very well I'm very excited today because we have a

1:37.4

great guest and it's a guest I've read your book it's Carol Hoven, Dr Carol Hoven I should say and I read her book it's

1:48.4

fascinating I reviewed it for the evening standard and it's it's such an enlightening powerful informative book and I'm so

1:58.6

excited when when Carol agreed to come on the show with us. I really think today we can give a really, really good analysis of the impact of testosterone on the body.

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