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The Matt Walker Podcast

#36: Sleep and Memory - Part 2

The Matt Walker Podcast

Dr. Matt Walker

Medicine, Science, Social Sciences, Health & Fitness

4.8995 Ratings

🗓️ 5 December 2022

⏱️ 17 minutes

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Summary

Previously, we learned sleep is necessary before learning to prepare the brain to learn effectively. But sleep is also needed after learning to cement new information in your brain. This discovery happened in 1924 when two German researchers pitted sleep and wake against each other to see which would win out in memory-savings benefit. Their findings suggested that time spent awake can be hazardous to new memories while time spent asleep has fixating benefits.Researchers have also put REM slee...

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Hi there it's Matt here and welcome back to the next installment in

0:08.0

in this series on sleep learning and memory now as you'll remember in the last episode we learned that you need

0:16.9

sleep before learning in order to prepare your brain for the initial act of making new memories, for the initial act of learning

0:26.7

effectively. But what we've also discovered is that you need sleep after learning.

0:33.0

But now to essentially hit the save button on those new memories,

0:38.0

fixating those new memories and cementing them

0:42.0

into the neural architecture of the brain.

0:45.0

In other words, it's sleep after learning that will future-proof new information within your brain and prevent you from forgetting.

0:56.4

And by the way I should note we did not make this discovery, certainly not at my sleep center, far from it.

1:04.0

That discovery happened all the way back in 1924.

1:09.0

When two German researchers, John Jenkins and Carl Dalenbach, they pitted sleep and wake

1:17.4

against each other to see which one would win out in terms of a memory savings benefit.

1:25.9

So it's essentially the researcher's version

1:29.2

of a Coke Pepsi challenge,

1:31.3

but here it was Wake versus Sleep.

1:35.0

And here's what happened.

1:36.1

The participants first learned a list of nonsense words.

1:41.3

So words that would actually be quite difficult to pronounce and as a result

1:45.9

they're actually quite hard to learn and remember. Thereafter the

1:50.5

researchers then tracked how quickly those participants forgot

1:55.2

those memories across an eight-hour time interval. The only difference

2:01.2

however was that that that eight hour interval was spent either awake

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