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The Michael Shermer Show

36. Dr. Jonathan Haidt — The Coddling of the American Mind: How Good Intentions and Bad Ideas are Setting Up a Generation for Failure

The Michael Shermer Show

Michael Shermer

Dialogue, Science, Reason, Michaelshermer, Natural Sciences, Skeptic

4.4921 Ratings

🗓️ 5 September 2018

⏱️ 79 minutes

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Summary

In this fascinating dialogue Dr. Haidt and Dr. Shermer discuss what has been going wrong on many college campuses in the last few years. Speakers are shouted down. Students and professors say they are walking on eggshells and are afraid to speak honestly. Rates of anxiety, depression, and suicide are rising—on campus as well as nationally. How did this happen? In his new book Haidt has teamed up with First Amendment expert Greg Lukianoff to show how the new problems on campus have their origins in three terrible ideas that have become increasingly woven into American childhood and education: What doesn’t kill you makes you weaker; always trust your feelings; and life is a battle between good people and evil people. These three Great Untruths contradict basic psychological principles about well-being and ancient wisdom from many cultures. Embracing these untruths—and the resulting culture of safetyism—interferes with young people’s social, emotional, and intellectual development. It makes it harder for them to become autonomous adults who are able to navigate the bumpy road of life. They explore changes in childhood such as the rise of fearful parenting, the decline of unsupervised, child-directed play, and the new world of social media that has engulfed teenagers in the last decade. They examine changes on campus, including the corporatization of universities and the emergence of new ideas about identity and justice. They situate the conflicts on campus within the context of America’s rapidly rising political polarization and dysfunction.

Dr. Jonathan Haidt is Professor of Ethical Leadership at New York University’s Stern School of Business. He is a social psychologist whose field is moral psychology. He is the author of The Happiness Hypothesis: Finding Modern Truth in Ancient Wisdom and The Righteous Mind: Why Good People are Divided by Politics and Religion.

This remote Science Salon was recorded on August 27, 2018.

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This is your host, Michael Sherman, and you're listening to Science Salon, a series of conversations

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with leading scientists, scholars, and thinkers about the most important issues of our time.

0:17.0

It's great to see you again and congratulations on the new book. We will release the

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podcast the day the book comes out Tuesday, September 4th. It's the

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coddling of the American mind how good intentions and bad ideas are setting up a generation for

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failure which you co-authored with Greg Lucianov of the of fire the let's get that

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straight foundation for individual rights and education as we know Greg has been a long time advocate for free speech on college campuses and you are a professor at New York University Stern School of Business,

0:54.8

Tamed your PhD in Social Psychology from the University of Pennsylvania.

0:58.9

You're most famous, of course, for your two previous books,

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The Happiness, Hypotheses, and the Righteous Mind. And then, of course, I would throw. for your

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previous books, The Happiness, Hypothesis, and the Righteous Mind.

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Your edited and illustrated version of that, which is good timing.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So the book is great.

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Here's the cover.

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It's, let me tell you, so it's a, I really like this book for a couple of reasons.

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One, it's well written.

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It's clear.

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There you go, perfect, thanks.

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It's well organized. You know, I have to read a couple of books a week so it's nice when I get one that I can plow through in a in a reasonable period of time and get the center point. So I thought I'd intersect with the thesis of the book through my own sort of conflicted opinions

1:39.3

about this before I read your book and then I'll tell you how I change my mind a little bit after it because you have a lot of data.

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That is to say I'm not at all clear to what extent we have a problem or a potential problem or whatever.

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