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🗓️ 11 June 2020
⏱️ 191 minutes
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Stephon Alexander is a first class jazz musician as well as a first rate physicist and a professor at Brown University. As the New President of the National Society of Black Physicists, Eric sits down with Stephon over a good deal of wine to discuss particles, politics, blackness and STEM, and other matters as they look back on the last decade of their friendship and their sprawling discussions across music, politics, mathematics, physics and beyond.
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0:00.0 | Hello, it's Eric. I wanted to talk about the death and the afterlife of the blues. |
0:12.6 | Now the difficulty in talking about the blues is that people do not have a common picture |
0:16.2 | of what I mean. Some will hear in the phrase, the blues, your reference to mood. Others |
0:21.3 | will associate it with the music that fits a depressed state of mind. And musicians will |
0:25.5 | hear it as a reference to a class of structured music analogous to sonata form in western |
0:30.0 | classical music or the ritualized three-part structure of a classical Indian concert. |
0:35.3 | Well, permit me to pretend that you were where I was as a young man coming of age, which |
0:39.3 | is that I knew nothing about it. All I knew was that I loved rock and roll, and that within |
0:43.9 | rock there were certain songs more than others that I would listen to over and over again. |
0:48.7 | And oddly, I would notice several names recurring on the song credits. For example, W. Dixon, |
0:54.7 | who the hell was W. Dixon, and the other name that came up repeatedly clearly sounded |
0:58.8 | like a petition blue blood senator, McKinley Morganfield. There were others, of course, as |
1:03.8 | well. Ellis McDaniel sounded Scottish to me as a name, but he wrote like he was straight |
1:07.9 | out of Texarkana. This was confusing. All these rock bands knew about these guys and played |
1:13.5 | their songs, but these names weren't listed on any performances. So who were these people |
1:18.5 | and why did I love everything that they did? I asked around in my circle of family and |
1:23.0 | friends, and no one had an answer or even thought the question particularly interesting. |
1:27.5 | So one day, in the days before the internet, I went to the tower record store on sunset |
1:31.9 | boulevard in Hollywood near where we lived and determined that I would screw up my curds |
1:36.2 | to ask. Now, I say that for the benefit of those of you who may not regularly visit |
1:40.9 | record stores or musical instrument shops because you may not understand who works behind |
1:45.1 | the counter and on the floor. Music is a weird sector of the economy because it behaves |
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