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Making Sense with Sam Harris

#353 — Race & Reason

Making Sense with Sam Harris

Waking Up with Sam Harris

Samharris, Currentevents, Politics, Ethics, Religion, Neuroscience, Science, Society & Culture, Philosophy

4.629.1K Ratings

🗓️ 11 February 2024

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Summary

Sam Harris speaks with Coleman Hughes about race, racism, and social justice. They discuss the ideal of "color blindness," race and crime, Coleman's experience at TED, LatinX, the confusion of the elites, Ibram X. Kendi, affirmative action, class differences, poverty, single-parent families, the death of George Floyd and the trial of Derek Chauvin, mob rule, Candace Owens, Christopher Rufo, guilt by association, John McWhorter, Glenn Loury, reparations for slavery and Jim Crow, immigrant communities, evidence of discrimination, Martin Luther King Jr., and other topics.

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Making Sense Podcast, this is Sam Harris. Just a note to say that if you're hearing this you're not currently on our subscriber feed and will only be hearing the first part of this conversation. In order to access full episodes of the Making Sense Podcast, you'll need to subscribe at Sam Harris.org. There you'll also find our

0:24.9

scholarship program where we offer free accounts to anyone who can't afford one. We

0:29.0

don't run ads on the podcast and therefore it's made possible entirely through the support of our subscribers.

0:34.0

So if you enjoy what we're doing here, please consider becoming one. Okay, a little housekeeping here. How shall I put this? Well, for those of you who heard my previous episode with Rory Stewart, this might come

0:57.4

as a bit of a surprise.

0:59.3

I thought that was a great conversation, as did many of you, as it really everyone, as far as I can tell.

1:07.0

I'll remind you, Rory is a fascinating person who spent something like 20 months walking across the Middle East and wrote a book about

1:17.8

his travels in Afghanistan in particular.

1:21.0

He has wide experience in the Muslim world, served in Iraq for the British Civil Service,

1:27.0

and we talked about many things in this podcast and touched on my concerns about jihadism fairly briefly.

1:36.0

We spoke for about an hour and 20 minutes and maybe it was 20 minutes of that conversation that we focused on jihadism.

1:46.4

The general focus was on just the failures of nation building in Afghanistan and Iraq

1:51.6

and the unraveling of the rules-based international order.

1:56.4

We spoke about Brexit and how odious partisan politics have become.

2:02.1

There were many other topics.

2:04.2

And what was notable is that we basically agreed about everything except we had a clear

2:11.6

difference of emphasis.

2:14.0

I tend to emphasize the ideological origins

2:17.1

of certain types of violence.

2:19.6

I'm very concerned about extreme religious beliefs and how they're motivating.

2:24.4

And yet, of course, I acknowledge that there are other sources of human conflict,

2:28.5

tribalism, nationalism, sociopathy, etc. And in the context of our conversation Rory was emphasizing the importance of

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