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Grammar Girl Quick and Dirty Tips for Better Writing

350 GG "Who" Versus "That"

Grammar Girl Quick and Dirty Tips for Better Writing

Mignon Fogarty, Inc.

Society & Culture, Education

4.52.9K Ratings

🗓️ 4 January 2013

⏱️ 6 minutes

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Is Your Dog an "It" or a "She"?

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0:00.0

Grammar girl here, today we're going to talk about a grammar myth that you can never use the word that to refer to people.

0:07.0

And then we'll get to the burning questions of whether your dog is an it or a she,

0:11.5

and whether you can talk about a table whose legs are scratched.

0:16.0

First, let's talk about who versus that.

0:19.0

Many people have been taught that you should never use the pronoun that to refer to a person.

0:24.5

That sentences such as girls that have long hair by more scrunchies is wrong,

0:30.0

and that it should be girls who have long hair by more scrunchies.

0:34.0

I was taught that rule, but it turns out it's a myth.

0:37.5

It's not wrong to use who, but it's also not wrong to use that.

0:41.5

I checked a bunch of major style guides.

0:44.0

Garner's Modern American Usage, the Chicago Manual of Style,

0:47.5

Feller's Modern English Usage, and the Marion Webster Dictionary of English Usage

0:52.0

all say that although it's always fine to use who, it's also fine to use that.

0:58.0

For example, it's fine to write something like girls that have long hair by more scrunchies.

1:04.0

It's been done for a very long time, and the objection to it is more recent.

1:08.5

Chaucer and Shakespeare, for example, used that to refer to people.

1:12.5

And Marion Webster notes that usage writers only started objecting to it in the early 1900s.

1:19.0

I actually crafted that particular scrunchie sentence to highlight the instance where Feller said using that is most common.

1:27.0

When you're writing about someone who represents a class rather than an individual person.

1:32.5

In that sentence, girls that have long hair by more scrunchies,

1:37.0

we're talking about girls with long hair in general, not one specific girl.

1:43.0

That's a little bit different from a sentence like,

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