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My name is Mike Hurley and I am joined by the jet ride-in, limousine ride-in, Mr. Jason Snell.

I think technically maybe I have done those things today.

Because I called an Uber to go to the airport.

That works as a limousine. It wasn't really a limousine. It was like a Honda Accord or something. But yeah,

Toyota Camry. Traveling style.

Yeah, hi Mike, how's it going? I am very well, sir. How the devil are you? Oh, it's good to be home, it's good to be back in proper time.

I was in evil time for a while, but now I'm back in proper time. Good. On the west coast, back in the best coast, back in my chair for the first time in a week and

glad to have my crazy six weeks of mostly travel behind me.

So you've been out in New York and Boston, you recorded a couple of shows in people in person.

Did you recall clockwise? I recorded clockwise in Lex Friedman's office. Right. But Lex wasn't on it. And then... And then... Well he didn't really

have a two-person recording setup and I'd already scheduled the guess so it was fine.

He then he recorded the rebound with Dan Moran and John

Moulton and I wasn't on that I was I was working while they were in there doing

that and then at in Dan Moran's living room we recorded this week's incomparable

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