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Hello and welcome to this week's Battleground podcast interview.

Our guest this week is Mark Urban, who many of you will know as the BBC Newsnight diplomatic editor and one of the most insightful journalists in the business.

For much of his career, he's specialised in defence. He's someone who combines real knowledge of

the battlefield from his coverage of numerous wars. I first met Mark back in 1994 during the

siege of Sarajevo. And alongside that, he's got a very sharp analytical ability. He's also been a

soldier himself as a young lieutenant in the tank regiment.

Yeah, and infuriatingly, Patrick Mark is also a highly regarded military historian. Is there no end to this man's talents?

Covering some of the same ground as myself with histories of the rifles in Wellington's wars and most recently a history of the birth and early years of

the parachute regiment. It's called Red Devils, and it's a cracker. I gave it five stars in my

review in the telegraph. I started off by asking Mark, what led him to the subject?

Well, thank you very much, Patrick, and for the kind words about the book.

Well, I'm going to now attempt to deny in the face of all the evidence and your next few

questions that I'm a sort of airborne groupie or that I'm even particularly interested

in airborne forces. But undoubtedly, they exert a

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